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In your experience, let's say that Pollard and Maxwell, or in the past, my God, the Israelis

would never spy on anyone again.

Has that been your experience?

That when you were in intelligence, everybody was like, the Israelis have never been dishonest

with us.

They're always just so giving and have been so honest every time we've interacted with

them.

Is that the experience of intelligence in America?

No, this is where their influence network is very effective at bypassing the intelligence

community.

Because a lot of guys you get that have ground level experience of working with the Israelis,

they'll basically say what I say behind closed doors.

They'll be like, hey man, the Israelis are pretty good at what they do, but they're always

running game on us and they have an objective.

They use us as force multipliers.

I think initially when you're first exposed to them, maybe Mossad will whiz bang you on

mugged in the air or something like that, you're like, wow, these guys are pretty good.

But most experienced folks, and I had a mentor of mine years ago when I didn't know as much

about the world, say to me, you got to watch these guys.

They're always running game.

They always have an agenda.

They sound great.

And so you're going to put your guard down, but you got to have your guard up around them.

I think that's fairly well known by most professionals in the intelligence community, especially

if you work a lot in the Middle East.

But again, this is where they in run the game.

I mean, they can insert what they want to insert into the intelligence channels if they

know it's actually good intelligence.

But then when they come to drive their agenda, they do it through their influence agents.

They do it through their direct access by having basically both sides of the aisle on

speed dial and both sides of the aisle have their guy or their person that they're used

to working with.

And that's how they can short circuit the low level skeptics that might be in the actual

intelligence community itself.