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Clearly, I think you and I agree, we have both

been critical of the Israeli government. - I

just want to kind of clarify terms a bit here.

Do you- - Well, I've really been critical of

the Israeli government. I've been plenty critical

of the Israeli government. I told you at the

beginning that we were against this war. - What

do you think of Gaza?

- What do I think of Gaza?

- Yeah. I think the war in Gaza, to start with,

was a perfectly reasonable response in response

to the horrors of October 7th. I think now,

the places, I mean, I've been there. Have you

been to Gaza?

I've been to Gaza since the war started. - They

would not let me in. Trust me, very few journalists

get into Gaza. - It's catastrophic. 70... 70,000...

Yeah, no, I went with the IDF. It's the only

way that you can go in, but nonetheless, you

go in and you see a flattened place. I think

it is a disaster. A disaster for the future

of Israel, a disaster for the Palestinian people.

A horror. 70,000 people dead. Why would you

describe it first as a disaster for the future

of Israel?

You've got tens of thousands of civilians murdered,

but it's foremost a disaster for the future

of Israel?

- I didn't say foremost. I made... - No, it's

foremost a disaster for the families of the

dead kids. - Absolutely. I made three points.

So let me just... Because everybody sucks up

to Israel in this way that suggests they're

afraid, and everyone is afraid, and you know

that. Everyone's like, "The real problem is

calling people anti-Semites allows real anti-Semites

to flourish." - Okay, let me get... - It's like,

no, actually, the real problem with calling

people anti-Semites who aren't is accusing the

innocent of a crime they didn't commit. And

the real crime in Gaza is killing people who

did nothing wrong. So those are the real problems,

I would say. But no one can say it because you

have to be like, "Oh, no, but really, October

7th was bad." - Let's... I don't know what you're

talking about, Tucker. We are having a con...

- Everyone watching this knows what I'm talking

about.