Discussion on Rape and Justice

What happens now is that another rape will occur.

Now it could be Asifa being raped, or it could be

someone else being raped the day after tomorrow.

It could be the Nirbhaya gang rape in 2012.

Yes.

Whenever something happens now, a kind of encouragement arises among people.

Holding up placards and saying, “We want justice,”

“That person should be hanged”—

All that is for the media—

Yeah.

Or for a prop.

No, no, that's not it. Many people genuinely feel it,

people.

Mm-hmm.

They feel that, or else they say the person

should be hanged, this should be done,

that should be done, and they do it.

More than that, I feel there is nothing it accomplishes.

Now they will hang them.

Then another rape will happen. I mean, why does another rape happen?

They should study it first.

The idea that people behave properly only when they are afraid is

a deeply held belief among very, very many people.

I mean, isn't that so?

Now, regarding fear, let me give you an example.

In 2012, there was a rape.

The Nirbhaya rape. It became such a major issue then.

Um.

It was such a gruesome rape. They made the heinous effect clear.

It was an appalling event. Then they held up all those placards and

demanded that Mukesh and the others

who had done this be—

Yes.

hanged, and so on. Correctly, within three to four months, I

think so.

I have no idea about the time frame.

Yes.

At Bombay Central, a rape took place at Shakti Mills.

Yes.

A rape took place at Shakti Mills. It was a gruesome rape.

It did not receive that much attention.

Not as much as this one did. I mean, wouldn't the person who did it know?

The one who committed the rape. The Nirbhaya incident happened.

They are doing all this to them. Wouldn't

he know that they would do the same to us?

Wouldn't he know?

He knew, didn't he? He must have been following the news too, right?

Even so, he raped her.

The reason he did it is that the mindset varies from person to person.

Just because you frighten people, the next rape will not stop.

Just because you increase the punishment, the next rape will not stop.

You will know if you do the research.

There is no evidence anywhere that increasing

the punishment alone has reduced crime.

What you need to do is conduct a sociological study.

A sociological study.

Bring him in, make him sit down,

and seat him in the middle of a panel of psychiatrists, then ask—

What are you? Where did you grow up? Where were you born?

When you first saw that girl, what feeling did you have?

Before you raped her, didn't you know what laws were in place?

So you knew, and still did it? Did you

do it thinking you wouldn't be caught?

Did you do it thinking you could escape if you were caught?

Did you think that girl would never go outside again?

Why did you kill her after raping her?

Ask questions like these, take notes on everything,

so that a rape like this will not happen again

There is a chance to stop it. But simply beating him to death

won't accomplish anything.

He is evidence. You shouldn't do anything to him.

He should be treated like a diseased person. He has a disease.

You mustn't kill that diseased person.

You have to see and make sure that it is a system fault.

It is society's fault that they became that way.

Society played such a key role in his committing the rape.

When you study all this, study it from a series of events,

with proper empirical data

then you'll have a chance to curb the next one,

but beating him up, killing him,

and shouting won't change anything, that's my feeling. Yeah.

Super.

Yeah.

Yes. Let's